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[livejournal.com profile] xanya and I watched this together (curled up on my bed, so twincestious), which was a blessing - because at the end of the episode I was sobbing into her leg chanting 'I'm not coping, I'm not coping'. BECAUSE THINGS WERE PAINFUL, ALL VERY, VERY PAINFUL. But EPIC and AWESOME and DRAMATIC and wrapped up nicely in a emo!doctor bow.

BUT! BUT! JAKE! What happened to JAKE?!? (fixating on minor characters!?! what? no!) Mickey had nothing left in the alt!world? DID HE DIE?!? I am very concerned. VERY CONCERNED!

AND WHERE WAS MY ROSE JACK MOMENT? Why couldnt there have been ONE SHOT of them having a threesome with the doctor in the TARDIS?! HUH! HUH! Or at least making out, or hugging. OR HELL! EVEN TALKING TO EACH OTHER! I demand a MOMENT! OR AT LEAST FIGHTING TOGETHER! Did you notice she just STOOD THERE in the big fight. THE BOYS GOT ALL THE GUNS! USE YOUR FUCKING CHARACTERS RTD! I wanted there to be some badarse!rose (and possible a threesome with the two doctors in the middle of the fight) IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK!. I am VERY DISAPPOINTED!

ALSO! ALSO! WHY DID THEY HAVE ALL THESE FANTASTIC CHARACTERS COME BACK IF THEY WEREN'T GOING TO USE THEM!?!? I dig companions, and it HURTS!

I'm avoiding thinking of Donna, because I'm not coping with her ending. NOT COPING AT ALL! Okay I get the need for a tragic ending, because I knew it was coming but! but! NO! Not THAT! That just breaks my heart! I'm just... she grew and she changed and she found out how awesome she was and now she doesn't know! Now she goes back to thinking she is nothing? I AM NOT COPING!

(side note: Catherine Tate looked so hot this epsiode - my girl!crush has no bounds)

hold me.

But I loved it. And Torchwood next season - awesome yes/yes?

(when I grow up I want my brain to be like Jack's)

SO RECAP! I am CONCERNED! and DISAPPOINTED! and IN LOVE and just DIEING from how fucking BRILLIANT this was.

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Date: 2008-07-06 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW! I'm not coping either right now. Do you know how hard I would hit Catherine Tate? Right into next Tuesday. I love her and I miss her and life will never be the same without her.

Anyway, you already know what I think about all of this... and now I'm sad thinking about the poor Doctor being perhaps more emo than he ever has before. Who will be his companion next season? I am eager, eager, eager to see. I wish there could have been more of Jackie. I loved when she told the Doctor she named her son Doctor. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, IF ONLY.

Oh, I still don't know what to think about it all. BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF PRETTINESS!

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiew.livejournal.com
Why did Jackie only get ONE GOOD LINE!?!?! Martha's mother got more to do then Jackie! Seriously - where was here snark?!?!

(IT HURT ALL TODAY THINKING ABOUT IT. I AM STILL NOT COPING!) Catherine Tate is so smokin' I mean I knew she was hot before BUT seriously! It hit me just last night!

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
So I've been thinking a lot about the episode. I haven't come up with anything that makes things better for Donna (SERIOUSLY, all they had to do was throw in FIVE SECONDS of her showing that she was going to be brilliant again) but I think I know how it's better for the Doctor. He realised the (negative) effect he (sometimes) had on his companions and it really made him think. Then he said goodbye to all of them for (perhaps) the last time. He's done with Rose forever and I think he can be happy that she's going to be happy - it would have never worked out between them because he's a Time Lord and she's a human and he would ALWAYS outlive her, so this is really the best solution - and he can finally start to move on properly. He has a completely clean slate from now on and I think he is going to be "healthier" than ever before. He's going to be careful with how he treats his companions and he's going in with a lot of healing that he's done, and I think he knows how to keep healing it - to find a friend like Donna. He will still be sad for everyone he's left behind over the 900 years, but I really think that was a turning point for him and he's got his feet on the ground, so to speak. Yeah. But Donna... nothing there. I AM SO SAD.

I couldn't sleep last night (for obvious reasons) so I stayed up and made this massive A3 timeline of the last four seasons and their progression and why it's going to be all right. It was fun. I wish I could show you the fruits of my feverish, 3am work!

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiew.livejournal.com
I read a couple of posts that looked at the Rose/Doctor situation ([livejournal.com profile] artic_fox) and the horribliness of the Donna situation ([livejournal.com profile] violet_quill which made me feel somewhat better.

UMM I NEED TO SEE THIS TIMELINE. YOU ARE AMAZING.

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
I'll go and read them as soon as I get rid of Mum. For God's sake, some parents are SO ANNOYING YOU COULD KILL THEM.

I'll try to scan it... I think it won't make any sense in the light of day, though. And it doesn't have any illustrations!

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Date: 2008-07-06 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
HE'S THE SAME DOCTOR. THE SAME. SO IT IS ALL RIGHT. ROSE HAS HER DOCTOR.

AND DONNA'S FAMILY WILL MAKE SURE SHE'S FINE. I JUST KNOW IT. THAT'S WHAT THAT WHOLE LAST BIT WAS ABOUT.

THE REASON MICKEY STAYED IN THAT WORLD WAS BECAUSE HIS OWN JAKE WAS DEAD SO HE'S GOING TO FIND THE JACK IN THE OTHER WORLD.

AND RUSSELL T DAVIES IS A MEANIE POO BUT I LOVE HIM.

ADN REMEMBER THE PART WHERE DAVID TENNANT WAS NAKED?

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiew.livejournal.com
I HAD FORGOTTERN ABOUT THE NAKED BIT! THE NAKED BIT WAS THE BESTEST. ALSO DOCTORDONNA AND DONNADOCTOR WERE MY FAVOURITE BIT. DONNA WAS MY FAVOURITE BIT. I HAD LOTS OF FAVOURITE BITS.

(Donna's ending and the lack of Jake were my least favourite bits)

(go look at [livejournal.com profile] wikidwitch lastest post - THERE ARE CAPS OF THE KISS!)

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
Also, APPARENTLY there is an even better kiss in the Confidential. I'll watch it tonight. I AM EXCITED. I'm hoping the Confidentail - which goes for an hour this week! - will shed a little more light on the fate of certain people (though I doubt Jake will be one of them).

DONNA IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WOMAN IN CREATION AND WE MUST NEVER FORGET THIS.

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiew.livejournal.com
The caps are of the kiss! IT IS SO AWESOME! OMG! YOU DIE OF HOTTNESS!! I'M WATCHING THE DW CONFIDENTIAL TONIGHT ASWELL - I AM SO EXCITED/SCARED ABOUT!!

DONNA IS THE BEST EVER. EVER!!

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
Oh, goodie! I really, really can't wait. It'll be something to stem the loss... IS IT CHRISTMAS YET? I think if I just concentrate on the 'shippy goodness then everything is fine, because, realistically, I do think this is the only way it could have worked out for the Doctor and Rose and you know I'm nothing if not a 'shipper.

BUT DONNA! She is as close to possible as being equal to Rose in awesomeness... I desperately want some more Donna icons of wonderfulness.

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiew.livejournal.com
I might be making icons of that scene. Just MAYBE! I need some more first series dw icons. And donna icons - which I HAVE NONE OF!

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
MAKE ICONS! DOOO IT! I can't wait for your DW icons. I somehow feel that Donna's brilliance can't quite be contained in one icon, but I really want to find the perfect icon of it anyway.

Ooooh, I love Catherine Tate too immensely.

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Date: 2008-07-07 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiew.livejournal.com
I'm watching hush on sci fi and maiking icons! THIS IS SO FUN! Now I need to find good caps!!

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Date: 2008-07-07 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanya.livejournal.com
Here's what I think, and what I think my timeline illustrates: the Doctor Rose got IS the Doctor. She is not "settling" and he won't always feel inadequate because they are EXACTLY the same person - up to a point. It is the only possible way they could have worked out because while the Doctor was a Time Lord he and Rose could never be together. Since meeting Rose, he has battled with his "human heart" and she (as well as Donna, Martha, et al.) is responisible for it being the way it is. She helped to create him, and now she gets that part of him that was always hers, and it's seriously the only way it could have worked out. Yes, she will sometimes be sad when she thinks about her other Doctor all alone, but at the same time, she does have him. She doesn't even have the next best thing, because she has the person who is EXACTLY HIM. The person she fell in love with, as my time line illustrates. So... It's fine with me. I'm sad for the other Doctor, but I am not sad for Rose's Doctor, and I don't think she'll be sad for him either.

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Date: 2008-07-06 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarkastic.livejournal.com
In my mind, Jake had already slipped through to this world to do recon and is waiting for Mickey in Cardiff. IN MY WORLD!

The OT3 loss hurt. Except now we have the next generation of the OT3: Jack/Martha/Mickey!

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Date: 2008-07-07 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiew.livejournal.com
That is such a better personal canon then mine - which he died and Mickey was all emo (Jack had to cheer him up. Possibly with Ianto's help).

THE LACK OF OT3 INTERACTION IS WHAT MADE ME WHIMPER THROUGHOUT THE EPSIODE!!!! But I'm looking forward to the orgy that Torchwood Three becomes if Martha and mickey join the team.

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Date: 2008-07-07 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julester1.livejournal.com
Heee! Reading through your and M's conversations are almost like watching the episode! It definitely sounds epic.

[though I am watching the extended kiss on youtube. Hot!]

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